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 Post subject: One SA or two?????
 Post Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:33 pm 
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For me one is better now that I've played the game with two.
For me just think the SAs are flooding the game, loyalty points etc are contributing to this and every team seems to have all dual SAs.
UE also mentioned an additional cost for a second SA, is this a good compromise?

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An additional cost for sure, but I do like the dual SA. It brings a prestige to certain players, but it is too easy to get them.

Perhaps an idea like the potential delay on players who started with no SA's, ie if you give a player one SA, he cannot have another SA put on him for half a season, maybe even a full season? It'll slow the influx of dual SA players straight off the bat?!

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 Post subject: Re: One SA or two?????
 Post Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:45 pm 
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Yeah not bad ideas.

Something like....... X amount of points for first SA, 50% extra for second.
Add first SA, can't add another for a season?

Yeah that sounds good mate.

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I think that makes sense. I like Ben's idea about minimum stat requirements for certain SAs as well, that should slow it down as you will have to focus more on training up a certain player in order to give him the stat. Although this is a fantasy management game, going from shite with potential, to dual SA 100 38pv within a season is too much fantasy. One SA and reasonable after 1 season, to a dual SA worldie within 2 seasons is much more believable...

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I quite like these ideas, but imagine some might think it is a problem for the smaller sides. Need more feedback before they can be considered. If anyone wants to point the whassap groups here to get their opinion one way or the other.

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Personally I think dual SA's are fine.

I always worked on the basis that with my players I would give them one tactical SA (DET, COM, FLA) and then the other SA would be used on the other SA's such as LOY, RES etc.

I never understood giving players two of DET, COM, FLA based on the tactics in the game you would only really get full benefit of one of those tactics not two but with the 7th tactic announcement this could give options.

Dual SA's also give managers something to spend those UE points on. Personally i'm happy with dual SA's in the game, the 7th tactic will make this more stronger than ever too.

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Don't think it should be made not possible, but as always there should be an additional cost

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Doesn’t anyone think UE are too easy to introduce new ideas?

Quite a few have been suggested over the past couple years then being brought in to the game resulting in regrets soon after and threads appearing wanting them removed. The duel SA was never going to be great for the game. The whole point of a SA is one player having a special ability which made having a SA something special. Now it pretty much counts for nothing more then a value booster and 99% of all the players have one/both meaning they’re actually less effective.

Maybe an idea to have a game used especially for experimental purposes where ideas can be introduced before they make the mainstream games preventing any more errors. That way games don’t lose interest because Joe Bloggs has 23 duel SA players. But I’ve gone off topic (apologies)

As for this idea, back to 1 SA per player for me that you can’t buy making them far more ‘special’ and rare.

For the life of me I still can’t get why SA HEI was ever scrapped.

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 Post subject: Re: One SA or two?????
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Obvious hei was scrapped because you can’t make players taller

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 Post subject: Re: One SA or two?????
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bingoant wrote:
Obvious hei was scrapped because you can’t make players taller


In real life no, but this is a fantasy football game and don't forget we have other SA's that you cant do in real life like adding POT or increasing Speed.

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HEI was being added to players like Messi, which didn't make any sense. I read Harry Redknapp's autobiography which said how much Frank Lampard senior practiced his sprinting, and that he did geta little faster. This is partly why a one off improvement in speed is possible.

The suggested ideas I weren't keen on were the pre season turn and Karma players. But they seemed popular. Side note - as said before, Karma players have been nurfed for Game 121 onwards. All teams will start with 0 Karma, so they won't be as prominent as they were in 120.

Dual SAs won't be removed from the game.

What's on the table to be discussed is an additional cost for getting a second SA (say 3 points).

And a delay preventing a player being given a second SA for x weeks after being given his first SA.

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Scrap the 2 SA’s , I think there pointless and a waste.
I’m happy with the 1 SA and you should have to buy the SA using your points.
There’s far to many players in games now who have an SA to there name.

Will you be saying what game 121 will be bringing before people apply for a team as that’s what I’ll be doing?

Also should be harder to make/get karma players!

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fyffee wrote:
Will you be saying what game 121 will be bringing before people apply for a team as that’s what I’ll be doing?


Not sure what you mean David? About the 2nds SA specifically?

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fyffee wrote:
Will you be saying what game 121 will be bringing before people apply for a team as that’s what I’ll be doing?


Not sure what you mean David? About the 2nds SA specifically?

Will this game be similar to game 120?
Also will there defo be 2 sa’s added to the one player still? Or can you just keep it a 1?

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It will be different to 120.

It's a hard format game so big teams start in debt, different league structure, all teams start with 0 Karma, amongst other things.

More about Game 121 can be found here: viewtopic.php?f=284&t=57346

Players can have 2 SAs.

Whether or not there will be an additional cost for getting a second SA (say 3 points), or there will be a delay preventing a player being given a second SA for x weeks after being given his first SA, is still open for discussion.

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 Post subject: Re: One SA or two?????
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I like the the 2 SAs no need to tweak it.

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I am also happy with 2 SA as theres quite a few SA now then there were in the past.


So more choice on what's better for u top add on a player.

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HEI was being added to players like Messi, which didn't make any sense. I read Harry Redknapp's autobiography which said how much Frank Lampard senior practiced his sprinting, and that he did geta little faster. This is partly why a one off improvement in speed is possible.

The suggested ideas I weren't keen on were the pre season turn and Karma players. But they seemed popular. Side note - as said before, Karma players have been nurfed for Game 121 onwards. All teams will start with 0 Karma, so they won't be as prominent as they were in 120.

Dual SAs won't be removed from the game.

What's on the table to be discussed is an additional cost for getting a second SA (say 3 points).

And a delay preventing a player being given a second SA for x weeks after being given his first SA.


What nugget would put HEI on messi when you have FLA, GSI & COM available....

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